What We Know About the 2008 Season After Seven Weeks

All right kids, here it is…

Florida has just punched its ticket to the ATL.  I really hate to say it, but sadly, by all indications it appears to be true.  Georgia desperately needed LSU to beat Florida this week in order to provide them with enough margin to absorb the inevitable Florida loss.  Because LSU failed to come through for Georgia, the only way Georgia can make it to the SEC championship game is by beating Florida themselves.  And we all know that ain’t gonna happen.  Florida has figured some things out on offense that nobody in the conference can possibly hope to have an answer for, just in time for this part of the season.  And Georgia is still doing things (or not doing things) that will get them beat against teams of Florida’s caliber.

Is it ever going to get any better for Georgia?  It is now the middle of the season, and yet the preseason No. 1 team in the country is still looking like a team that is struggling to find its way.  Penalties, inconsistent line play, ill-timed turnovers, inability to convert red-zone opportunities–if Georgia was anywhere near as good as the pollsters were saying in the preseason, all of these issues would have worked themselves out by now.  The season is wearing on, and the meat of the schedule is coming up.  The pollsters are watching, and they are not impressed.

Vanderbilt had better be prepared to offer Bobby Johnson a sweet deal if they want to keep him.  Clemson has already gotten rid of Tommy Bowden, and Bobby Johnson is incessantly being mentioned as a prime candidate to replace him.  Vanderbilt is in the habit of starting fast and then fading later in the year because of injuries to key players.  Depth will always be an issue at Vanderbilt, and that may place a limit on what Bobby Johnson can expect to accomplish there.  But getting Bobby Johnson won’t exactly be a slam dunk for Clemson.  One consequence of Vanderbilt’s dissolution of the athletic department a few years back is that now the football program comes under the umbrella of the entire university.  And Vanderbilt’s administration is aware of the value that a competitive football program can have in terms of bringing exposure to the university.  And because the football program is now funded from the entire university, this means that they can bring the entire resources of the university to bear in trying to keep Bobby Johnson.

Ditto for David Cutcliffe.  At this point in the season Duke has won as many games as they have in the previous three years combined.  With three wins so far, they have already exceeded expectations, and looking at the remainder of their schedule it seems that there is at least another two or three more wins lurking out there for them.  This will surely attract the attention of schools that are looking for a new coach, such as Tennessee or Auburn might be by the end of this season.

The I’m Hatin Life For Ya Department Returns:  The I’m Hatin Life For Ya Department is back for its second week.  This week I’m hating life for you if you are:

Michigan.  It is obvious that Michigan is having trouble adjusting to the new coach and the new system.  But losing to Toledo?  Man, please!!!

Rich Rodriguez.  I’m sure he’s thinking right about now, “I didn’t come all the way up here for this.”  And even in his hometown of Grant Town, West Virginia, people are taking pleasure in his troubles at Michigan.

Georgia.  As if it wasn’t bad enough that Georgia now has to win out just to have even the slightest semblance of a prayer of making it into the BCS championship game, the schedule is not helping them at all.  Of the teams Georgia has left to play, Florida is the only one still in the top 10.  LSU has dropped to no. 13, and all the rest are dropping like a brick.  Alabama is still holding up, but that won’t help Georgia because they beat the shit out of Georgia.

It Was a Win Over Tennessee

It was a win over Tennessee.

Wins over Tennessee are always satisfying, especially to this Georgia fan who suffered through the 90’s when wins over Tennessee were nonexistent.  Tennessee beat Georgia nine times in a row during that period, by an aggregate score of 286 to 154, which works out to an average score of 31.8 to 17.1 and an average margin of just over two touchdowns per game.  (Just think how much time I had to have on my hands to work all of that out.)

Not all of the games were that lopsided.  Some were heartbreakingly close, such as 1992 when Eric Zeier, Garrison Hearst, Andre Hastings and friends had Tennessee beat, only to let them convert on 4th-and-forever and go down for the winning score.  Or 1995, when Robert Edwards, the last hope of the Ray Goof era, was lost for the entire season.  Georgia fought on valiantly that night, but perished in the end 30-27.

And some were distressingly ugly.  Like the 1993 game, which I had the opportunity to travel with the Redcoats to Knoxville to see with my own eyes.  It was 7-6 in the second quarter when we left to go down to the field for halftime.  By halftime it was 21-6.  By the time we got back to our seats after the halftime show it was 35-6.  Tennessee went on to win by a final score of 38-6.  1994 was not much better, as Eric Zeier and Georgia broke down in graphic fashion en route to a 41-23 loss.  And then there were the late 90’s, where quarterback Quincy Carter, the most overrated athlete ever to don a Georgia jersey, led his team to the slaughter 22-3 in 1998 and 37-20 in 1999. Continue reading “It Was a Win Over Tennessee”

Norma the Night Owl Teaches Night and Day

During the course of my final semester, I completed a project that involved developing an integrated unit to teach at any grade level.  I chose to do a kindergarten lesson on night and day.  It begins with an activity where students are asked to draw a picture of what the sky would look like if the sun were not in it.  The next activity is a simple science experiment which is designed to show that it is warmer in the afternoon (after the sun has been up all day) than in the morning (when the sun has just come up), and thus that the sun gives heat to the earth.  Along the way students are introduced to the thermometer and learn how to use it to measure temperature.  The final activity is a creative writing activity in which students are asked to write a story about a day when the sun did not come up.

Norma the Night Owl Teaches Night and Day

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Big Week in Sports

It’s been a big week in sports this week.

First of all, Georgia is playing Tennessee this weekend.

This is huge.  Huge because Tennessee has dominated Georgia in recent years.  Dominated to the point of winning three out of the last four.  Dominated to the point of outscoring Georgia 86-47 over the last two years, including a two-and-a-half quarter stretch in which Tennessee outscored Georgia 72-9.

Tennessee came into last year’s game with their backs against the wall.  Discontent was high in Knoxville after Tennessee got killed by Cal in their season opener, then went on to get pounded by Florida while looking less than impressive in wins over Southern Miss and Arkansas State.  Surely this team would be no match for Georgia.  Instead it was Georgia that was no match for Tennessee.  Tennessee went on to win the SEC East and to play in the SEC championship game.

Now Tennessee finds itself in almost the exact same situation as last year, having lost to a UCLA team that got killed by BYU, and having been destroyed by Florida while looking underwhelming in wins over UAB and Northern Illinois.  Discontent is running just as high as ever in Knoxville, with many suggesting that it is high past time for Philip Fulmer to step aside and let someone else with fresher ideas have a shot.  Surely Georgia is a shoo-in to beat a team in such a desperate state.

Not so fast, my friends.  We all know that Fulmer is at his best when his back is to the wall.  And if it isn’t against the wall right now, then I don’t know where it is.  A 9-3 finish and another SEC championship game appearance would go a long way toward assuaging the fomenting discontent in Knoxville, and a win over Georgia would give Tennessee a huge jump start toward that goal.

Also, a win over Georgia gives Tennessee four wins in the last five years, which would make it very safe to say that Tennessee owns Georgia once again.  On the other hand, a Georgia win means six wins in the last nine years, and it will be safe to say that perhaps Tennessee’s recent success was a fluke.

So which will it be?  We shall find out tomorrow.

And now for something completely different…

Auburn head coach Tommy Tuberville fired his offensive coordinator Tony Franklin this week.

Who could have seen that coming?

Who would have thought, after the rollicking performance of Tony Franklin’s new offense against Clemson in the Peach Bowl, that his offense would have performed as abysmally as it has this year?

Who would have thought, even given his offense’s abysmal showing, that he would not at least be given the opportunity to finish out the season?

Tommy Tuberville says that he fired Franklin for “a lack of production”.  No duh.  But why now?  Why not wait until the end of the season?  Or at least until after the Arkansas game this weekend and use the opening date as a time to regroup?

Surely there is more to this than meets the eye.  We all knew that it was bad at Auburn, but had it really gotten so bad that the only remedy was for Tony Franklin to be immediately shown the door?  If so, how?

Was there a team unity issue that could only be addressed by getting rid of Franklin?  Did somebody, say the president or athletic director, come to Tuberville and say that Franklin had to go?  Have the little green men from Mars been monkeying around inside Tuberville’s brain?  Has Bobby Lowder been monkeying around with the Auburn program again?

Never a dull moment in the drama-laden SEC.

What We Know About the 2008 Season After Six Weeks

Okay kids.  Here’s what we’ve learned from looking at the games this weekend:

Tennessee vs Georgia:  Fulmer’s Last Stand?  If you’re Georgia, I’ve been saying it all season long:  WATCH OUT FOR TENNESSEE!!!!!!!!!  Philip Fulmer is consistently proven to be at his best when his back is against the wall, and if it isn’t against the wall right now, I don’t know where it is.  The natives are restless in Knoxville, especially after several ugly losses and a less-than-impressive 13-9 win over Northern Illinois.  Still, Tennessee may be starting to show signs of life.  The ineffective, mistake-prone Jonathan Crompton is out at starting quarterback.  Nick Stephens is in, and it appears he will be the quarterback from here on out.  His numbers last week were pretty sluggish, but they do include a 52-yard touchdown pass.  Does he have a breakout game next week?  The defense is starting to figure some things out as well; they held Northern Illinois to 190 total yards.  Georgia, you’d better pray to God that this is not the week it all comes together for Tennessee!!!!!

Vanderbilt is actually looming larger on Georgia’s schedule than Tennessee.  How often does that happen?  And this time, it isn’t the coaches doing their jobs and saying all the right things about how good the upcoming opponent is.  Vanderbilt is for real, and they showed as much last week.  Last year they had both Georgia and Tennessee beat, only to let both of them off the hook in the fourth quarter.  This time they had Auburn beat and they did NOT let them off the hook in the fourth quarter; instead they played lights-out defense to seal a 14-13 win.

Who knows?  Vanderbilt might actually leapfrog Georgia in the polls before the season is over.

Somebody is going to try to hire Bobby Johnson this year.  Vanderbilt is one of the worst coaching jobs on the face of the earth.  They have very little to work with in the way of football talent, and the facilities are simply nonexistent.  As a matter of fact, their athletic department doesn’t even exist as a separate entity anymore.  But Bobby Johnson has made the absolute most of what he has been given to work with.  The success of his Vanderbilt team this year is sure to attract the attention of many higher-profile program that are desperate for a new coach.  Vanderbilt, I know you would hate to lose Bobby Johnson, but get ready, because they’re coming!

New feature:  The I’m Hatin Life For Ya Department  This week marks the inauguration of a new feature on my blog:  the I’m Hatin’ Life For Ya Department.  This week I’m hating life for:

Georgia.  You started the season at No. 1 in several major preseason polls.  Only five weeks into the season all your national championship aspirations came to an end when you had your doors blown off by Nick Saban and Alabama.  The very next week, the team that wiped their anal regions with you in Sanford Stadium in front of 93,000 fans and a nationwide ESPN prime time audience barely escaped with a 17-14 win at home over Kentucky.

The Alabama-Kentucky game was decided in the final minute when Kentucky failed to cover an onsides kick.  Alabama-Georgia was decided on the very first play from scrimmage when it was painfully clear to all that Georgia would not have an answer for John Parker Wilson.  What does that say about Georgia?  Only things that are not good.

Clemson.  If you’re Clemson, then I’m definitely hating life for you this week.  You started off the season being hailed as the cream of the ACC crop.  Only five weeks into the season you suffered your first ACC loss, a 20-17 heartbreaker to Maryland on your own home field.  The very next week, the team that came to Death Valley and dealt you your first ACC loss goes to Charlottesville and gets skunked 31-0 by the worst team in the ACC.

Florida.  Last week you got shocked by Ole Miss on your home field.  This week the team that beat you in the Swamp goes back home and gets beat by South Carolina.

Arkansas.  ‘Nuff said.

Who Cares About Your Blog Revisited

I am a blogger.  I have a community of friends and family who track with me on a periodic basis.  Judging by the numbers on the tracker that tells me how many people come to look at my blog every day, it seems as if that community is growing.  I am flattered by this, because the greatest honor that I can have as a blogger is to know that my stuff is being read by people out there.  So let me convey my gratitude to all of you who are out there tracking with me.

Now it is awfully tempting to let this blogging thing go to your head.  Out here in cyberspace, it is incredibly easier to build yourself up and pass yourself off as something much bigger and more important than you really are.  Only in the blogosphere is it possible for a pastor who pays his dues in seminary and goes to all the trouble to submit himself to the accountability structures that are required of a pastor, and a homeless guy living in a box with a laptop or a college student who bops around the blogosphere after getting wasted Friday night or a housewife who sits in front of her computer in her pajamas, to actually be on something of an equal footing.  Weird, isn’t it?

Ladies and gentlemen, I submit to you an exhibit of such weirdness.  Some of you may remember Christian singer Steve Camp, who was big back in the 80s and early 90s.  Since then, he has retired from singing and taken up blogging.  If you had the opportunity to stop by his blog last week, you would have been treated to this dandy little diatribe against Mark Driscoll.  Now, I have not heard much of Mark Driscoll’s preaching, but just from the tone of this post I would be strongly inclined to say that anyone who is made the subject of this kind of attack can’t be all bad.

It’s one thing to go through all the preparation and accountability that is required in order to become a pastor.  It is quite another to get out here in the blogosphere, pass yourself off as something important, and take pot shots at prominent Christian leaders because something about them does not fit in with your idea of correct Biblical doctrine.

Quick Hit: Praying for Tim Tebow?

Miami Herald sportswriter Joseph Goodman has called it to our attention that a church in the Gainesville area is praying for Tim Tebow.

Why?  Goodman quotes Eric Brown, pastor of the church in question, as he explains:

“I’m going to pray that [Tebow] is true to his faith because if he falls and gets caught up in some kind of scandal it will be bad for Christianity,” Brown said.

Brown doesn’t know Tebow but says the quarterback is an important role model. The minister says if Tebow gets into trouble, then the image of Christians could suffer.

“I know the story of David, so we know it’s possible for all of us to fall,” Brown said.

Basically the image of Christians is tied up in how well Tebow performs in upholding the name of Christianity in the public arena.

Puh-leez.

Statements such as this are an invitation to hold Christians in the public arena to an unrealistic standard–that they stand or fall before God on the basis of how well they represent Christianity to the public world.  And they are an invitation to the rest of us to throw public figures who claim to represent Christ under the bus when they fail.

There is a certain amount of truth in what this pastor says.  There have been numerous scandals involving televangelists and others of that nature, and Christianity has suffered in the minds of many people as a result of being associated with these scandals.

But we’re still here.  The Church is still alive and well.  God is still moving in this world and accomplishing His redemptive purposes, regardless of the failures and the incompetence of those who represent Christianity in the public arena.  The kingdom of God has been advancing forcefully in this world for thousands of years, and will continue to do so–with or without us.

We need to come to the realization that in the sight of God we are ALL sinners undeserving of His grace, who have received it because of His overwhelming graciousness–REGARDLESS of our position in the public arena, or lack thereof.  Thus we have no excuse to throw anyone under the bus because they have failed to represent Christianity well in the public eye.  Instead, we need to transform our communities of faith into places where we seek to allow the grace of God to flow through us as we work to restore those who have fallen–regardless of their position in the public arena.

The Bulldog Tooth Bonus Feature: A Look at Some Games This Weekend All Involving Teams Better than Georgia (10.4.08)

This weekend Georgia is off.  And boy do they ever need an off weekend.

Those of us who considered Georgia to be a legitimate national championship contender in 2008 have now been forced to reassess things.  Last weekend Alabama completely and thoroughly disabused us of the notion that Georgia was a national championship caliber team, and we are now forced to acknowledge that in fact there are several teams out there that are better than Georgia.  So in that spirit, let us look at some of the more interesting games that are coming up on this off weekend:

Duke vs Georgia Tech.  Chan Gailey’s Georgia Tech, going up against a suddenly reinvigorated Duke team after big wins over Jacksonville State, Boston College and Mississippi State, and a close loss to resurgent Virginia Tech, would surely have gotten beat this week.  As a matter of fact, they would have gotten trounced in a game like this.  Paul Johnson?  Don’t think so.

Prediction:  Georgia Tech 31, Duke 28.

Oklahoma vs Baylor:  Man, please.

Prediction:  Oklahoma 56, Baylor 13.

Florida vs Arkansas:  I’m sure there must be three more wins hiding somewhere in Arkansas’ remaining schedule.  I just can’t seem to find them, no matter how hard I look.  I do know that this is not one of them.

Prediction:  Florida 41, Arkansas 14.

Alabama vs Kentucky:  I hope to God that Alabama wins this one, and wins big.  Because if Alabama struggles with Kentucky–or worse, loses to Kentucky, then Georgia will look REALLY, REALLY BAD for having suffered the beatdown that they did at the hands of Alabama.

Prediction:  Alabama 45, Kentucky 27.

Auburn vs Vanderbilt:  How often does this happen at Vanderbilt:  a home game involving two top 25 teams?  This is huge for them.  Vanderbilt could actually beat Auburn this year.  I don’t quite see them doing it.

Prediction:  Auburn 21, Vanderbilt 19.

North Carolina vs Connecticut:  The Butch Davis reclamation project continues unabated.

Prediction:  North Carolina 28, Connecticut 24.

Oregon vs Southern Cal:  Southern Cal is trying to bounce back from the Oregon State loss, as well as gain revenge for the beating they got from Oregon last year.  Ranked opponents don’t do very well at the Coliseum:  Southern Cal has won 14 in a row over ranked opponents.  I don’t think Oregon is going to make it 2 in a row.

Prediction:  Southern Cal 38, Oregon 13.

Ohio State vs Wisconsin:  Imagine that.  Ohio State is even farther out of the national championship picture than Georgia right now.  Wisconsin is trying to recover from a loss at Michigan.  Ohio State is trying to get back on track, but it’s going to be tough:  Wisconsin has won 27 of their last 28 home games.  The last time Ohio State played at Wisconsin was in 2003, and they got beat 17-10.

Prediction:  Wisconsin 27, Ohio State 24.

Music Review: Neil Diamond, Home Before Dark

Believe it or not, Neil Diamond was the Justin Timberlake of his day.  He had the following of teenage girls who all considered him to be undeniably sexy; the only difference between him and Justin Timberlake was that he could actually sing.

And then, a strange thing happened.  All those teenage girls and others who followed Neil Diamond back in his early days grew into adults with jobs, families, and other responsibilities.  These fans continued to track with Neil Diamond as time went on, but despite his best efforts he failed to gain any traction with younger fans.

So in 2005, when Neil Diamond decided he wanted to do a new album, he went out and got producer Rick Rubin.  Rick Rubin has worked with several well-known musicians over the years, but is best known nowadays for his work with Jay-Z.  Did that mean that Neil Diamond was in the process of thugging out?  No, it only meant that this album, 12 Songs, would be the best he had done in almost three decades.  It featured a very stripped-down sound consisting of Neil Diamond, the guitar, and other sparse instrumentation.  It was much more well received than anything he had done in three decades, debuting at No. 4 on the Billboard Hot 100 album chart.

Home Before Dark picks up right where 12 Songs left off, continuing the sparse, minimalist sound that worked so well on 12 Songs.  This time around, the songs are themed around love, second chances, and coming home after a lifetime of traveling far and wide through this world and this game called life.

The album leads off with “If I Don’t See You Again”, which sets the table for what is to follow with the idea that “it’s been a hell of a ride”.  Next up is “Pretty Amazing Grace”, a song about love and redemption and second chances.  Those of you who were fortunate enough to catch this season of American Idol had the opportunity to hear this song performed live.  The theme of redemption and second chances continues with “One More Bite of the Apple”.  Following this are several infectious, folksy songs including “Whose Hands Are These”, “No Words”, and “The Power of Two”.  These songs could easily pass for some of the best of Neil Diamond’s standards, songs such as “Sweet Caroline” or “Song Sung Blue”.  “Slow It Down” slows it down in preparation for the final song, and “Home Before Dark” ties everything together in a powerful closing statement about having traveled far and wide in this world and this game called life, and struggling to get “home before dark”.

Neil Diamond wrote a book’s worth of material to go in the liner notes for this album, but if you take the time to read it you will gain a full appreciation for the process he went through to conceive these songs and bring them to life on this album.

If you like Neil Diamond, then prepare to be impressed by some of the best work that he has done in over three decades.  Somehow I don’t think Justin Timberlake will be sounding quite this good when he’s 67.

What We Know About the 2008 Season After Five Weeks

All right kids, here’s what we know about the 2008 football season after five weeks.

Georgia’s national championship bid for 2008 is officially over. Read all about this in yesterday’s post.

If there’s a team out there that’s better than Alabama, I sure don’t want to see them. The scary thing is, there just might be. LSU is coming up on the schedule in just a couple of weeks.

The last time Georgia trailed 31-0 at the half was nine years ago. Georgia was playing Auburn in the next-to-last game of the next-to-last season of the Jim Donnan era. That time the blame fell squarely at the feet of his overmatched defensive coordinator Kevin Ramsey. This time the blame falls at the feet of Mark Richt’s overmatched defensive coordinator Willie Martinez. But it wasn’t just him. It also falls at the feet of all the coaches and all the players. They were all outmanned, outclassed, and outcoached by a superior opponent. Nick Saban may be a lying, thieving scoundrel, but he is a much better coach than Mark Richt and his team is a much better team than Georgia.

Good teams do not lose to Alabama the way Georgia did without incurring a heavy emotional toll. It is now five weeks into the season, and Clemson, the odds-on favorite to win the ACC and perhaps have an outside shot at the 2008 national championship, has still not recovered from the beatdown administered to them by Alabama in the Georgia Dome. That much was evident in Clemson’s loss to Maryland this weekend. Unfortunate for them, because they are heading right into the meat of their ACC schedule. And if Clemson was as discombobulated as they were by losing to Alabama, imagine the effect that it will have on Georgia, the preseason No. 1. The better the team, the harder the emotional impact of a loss like this. As they say, “the higher they get, the harder they fall.”

It’s a good thing Georgia is off this week. But it will take a WHOLE lot more than just an off week to get Georgia well again. We need a full-on Todd Bentley healing revival service for all the players who were hurt last weekend. And forget the psychologists–we need an army of PSYCHIATRISTS to deal with the mental/emotional toll that this loss will take.

2008 is going to be just as zany as 2007 was. It all started when Oregon State dropped Southern Cal on Thursday night. Six of the top 10 and nine of the top 25 all got beat this weekend. And it’s just getting started, so sit down and buckle up, people.

Georgia Tech could actually be the real deal this year. One of the Georgia Tech players came out and said that Georgia Tech could finish 11-1 this year. And that is actually not outside the realm of possibility.

The ACC may just need a new doormat this year. David Cutcliffe has raised the competitive level at Duke.  A team that only won three games in the last three years is now 3-1 and playing with confidence, even a little bit of attitude.  They have outscored opponents 48-7 in the third quarter and 28-7 in the fourth quarter.

You think Tommy Bowden might be running out of second chances? In ten seasons at Clemson, Tommy Bowden has managed little more than to hold on to his job. But to his credit, he has managed to do that. The 2008 season began with very high expectations, but now Clemson has two losses on the books and the natives are growing exceedingly restless. A 10-2 finish and a BCS bowl bid could placate them, but that means Clemson would have to finish the year unbeaten. And their remaining schedule includes Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Florida State, a suddenly revitalized Duke, and the cross-state rival South Carolina. You really think Clemson is going to run the table against all that?

You think Bobby Petrino might have gotten in over his head at Arkansas? As of this point in the season, Arkansas has two wins, over Western Illinois and Northeast Louisiana, by a combined margin of five points. It’s hard to be impressed with a team that beat Northeast Louisiana by only one point (although Alabama lost to Northeast Louisiana last year and look at them now). Arkansas’ remaining schedule consists of Florida, Auburn, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tulsa, South Carolina, Mississippi State, and LSU. There may be three more wins hiding in there somewhere, but I’m not finding them.

Florida needs to find somebody else to run the football. Here’s why Florida didn’t make that first down on fourth-and-short at the end of the Ole Miss game: Everybody on the face of the earth–including 1.3 billion Chinese people–knew that Tim Tebow was going to run the football. Ole Miss knew it too, and they were ready for it.

We will probably not be seeing the black jerseys again–not for a LONG time. For those of you who don’t remember, let me refresh your memory about something: Georgia wore black pants for a couple of games back in the late 90s. In the 1997 Outback Bowl, Georgia faced a tough Wisconsin team. They came out wearing the usual silver britches and then, right before kickoff, pulled the old switcheroo. This jacked up the team and the fans, and Georgia crushed Wisconsin 33-6. This set us up for October 1998, when Georgia thought they would pull the same thing on Florida in Jacksonville. After a dreadful 38-7 beatdown, those black pants never saw the light of day again. Hopefully the black jerseys will not be seeing the light of day again–not for a LONG, LONG time.